The Austrian Way: Poll results to shock you into action

Crazies like us Bogpaper-liberty-obsessives might have worried for a while about the widespread beliefs across our nation that more of the State is the solution to society and the economy’s problems.

Five years on from the Credit Crunch, amidst high energy prices and continuing dissatisfaction, we’ve just had some shocking evidence delivered to us about how Statist the British people are when it comes to moving forward and ‘improving things’.

New poll results from YouGov for the Centre for Labour and Social Studies, covered beautifully by Allister Heath this morning, reveal how the popular cognitive map is still totally controlled by the more-State-is-needed-know-absolutely-nothing-about-economics brigade.

Our British minds are in total control of soviet-style, top-down economic dogma.

This is depressing confirmation of our fears.

Just look at the poll results!

45% of the public believe the State should have the power to control private rents, against 43% who don’t.

74% of Brits thought the government should have the power to set energy prices, against 18% who didn’t.

For controlling the market for transport (trains, buses etc) 72% of us voted that the State should set prices compared to 19% who thought it shouldn’t.

Only property owning Tory voters didn’t agree with the first statement, even though they did agree with the rest. Tory bastards…

I hope you haven’t committed suicide after reading all this, but there’s more to come!

35% of the electorate back price controls of food, drink and groceries, even if 55% don’t.

And to top things off, 68% of us support nationalising energy companies, compared to 21% who disagree.

How to react to all this?

After seeing how Statist we are, not just in markets like energy which aren’t working properly (due to too much government meddling btw), but also for markets like food and groceries (which are probably the most efficient, customer focused markets in the UK), we are reminded just how much of a total, fucking arse –kicking the austro-libertarian-team-offering-real-alternatives are getting.

If like me you’ve kind of felt this under-current for a while, it feels like the monster in the back of minds has truly taken shape. And, he has 8 heads, one being Ed Miliband’s, and farts populist tunes – the most pungent sounding like it has a chorus that goes ‘I’ll fix your energy bills boyz…’


Where to turn?

Welcome to the realities of Occupied Europe.

They say you get the leaders you deserve. Looking at our popular economics we’re doomed to power happy, know better than thou, Oxbridge types hell bent on changing our economy for the better with their great intentions.

Let’s bring a bit of Winnie into the libertarian crew

However, even though these poll results are a true slap-in-the-face back to reality, we pretty much knew this already. So let’s be a little sober about it all.

I don’t admire Churchill in the rather typically lovey, narrow, he was ubermensch, British way, but I do admire his resolve, will and determination along with much else.

We know we’re fighting an economic and philosophical Dunkerque.

Let’s just get on with it.

Spread the word.

Tell your friends about Bogpaper.

Give copies of Atlas Shrugged for Christmas.

We will never surrender.

The future of Britain and the developed world is at stake.

34 comments on “The Austrian Way: Poll results to shock you into action

  1. BenBen
    November 5, 2013 at 4:50 pm #

    The results of this survey will warm the cockles of the heart of the BBC liberal elite. I also believe they are responsible for a significant degree of the lurch left.

    • The Austrian Way
      November 6, 2013 at 11:38 am #

      Good point BenBen. I’m with you on the Beeb’s key role in the indoctrination of minds here. It’s why I agree with James Delingpole in his article form last Friday suggesting we scrap the licence fee:

      Thanks for reading.

  2. Lucy
    November 5, 2013 at 5:26 pm #

    Wow. This is indeed shocking! Christ.

    How about some anarchy?

    Austrian Way – do you and/or Rocco know where Galt’s Gulch is in the UK? I think eventually we will need to stop the motor of this country to show the difference between our way and the looters’ way.

    Sad times.

    • Anthem
      November 5, 2013 at 5:51 pm #

      Just finished reading Shrugged for the third time in my life and the thought keeps crossing my mind that there seems to be nowhere on earth for people like us to go.

      Couldn’t these government types at least leave us with one tiny country we could call our own? They can have all the rest and socialise it all they want.

      Oh well… I’d go on strike but if I did any less, I’d be moving again.

      • The Austrian Way
        November 5, 2013 at 6:22 pm #

        What are the best options to flee to folks?
        NZ? Singapore? Canada? HK? Panama? Any more ideas?

      • silverminer
        November 6, 2013 at 11:32 am #

        Russia…it worked for Ed Snowden.

    • Rocco
      November 5, 2013 at 6:54 pm #

      “How about some anarchy?”
      Lucy, you are very quickly becoming my favourite BP commenter! 🙂

      • The Austrian Way
        November 6, 2013 at 11:39 am #

        Could be the first hook up via the Bogpaper comments section!

    • therealguyfaux
      November 6, 2013 at 2:19 pm #

      Dunno where Galt’s Gulch is/might be, but if the public can’t see the whole bloody country is Starnesville now, they never will.

      The Galt’s Gulchers of the UK may need to do what the police in the US call, in one of those rampage attacks Piers Morgan loves so much, “shelter in place,” i.e., get in the safe room and don’t emerge till it’s completely safe and the threat is neutralised. (In a figurative way, of course.)

      One wonders if the Go-Galt strategy isn’t perhaps the complement of the Left’s Cloward-Piven strategy (overload the current benefits system whilst providing employment and income for those who administer that system, themselves committed to bringing in the socialist millennium). By this I mean, Galt-goers, by engaging in the biggest work-to-rule slowdown/sit-down strike, (as opposed to merely walking off the job), may hasten things themselves towards the “day of reckoning,” to use a trite term.

      Can nobody find a nice town on the South Coast, though?

  3. James Hickling
    November 5, 2013 at 5:40 pm #

    “Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.” Mencken

    • Roger L
      November 5, 2013 at 7:58 pm #

      They deserve it good and hard alright… their votes made it thus.

  4. Anthem
    November 5, 2013 at 5:47 pm #

    Cos I’m leaving, on a jet plane…

    • The Austrian Way
      November 6, 2013 at 11:39 am #

      Got a spare seat?

      • Michael
        November 6, 2013 at 7:12 pm #

        Replying to your earlier rhetorical question – Hong Kong is paradise on earth. Every second or third shop is getting torn down (because it was not profitable) by a bunch of guys with no health or security regulations and within a day or so it is a brand new shop open trying to make a go of it in the free market. Wealth is everywhere. People are zooming from here to there making deals and the business district buzzes with activity. If you want to make money go to Hong Kong. But, it won’t be easy. Everyone there is an entrepreneur so there is lots of competition and they’ll fight it out to get the lowest prices for the highest quality products to consumers.

        Being a Kiwi transplanted in London, my take on NZ is that it is the best of the English speaking so called “Western World”. Government expenditure as a percentage of GDP is about 35% which while far too high, is better than the Soviet style UK at 51%. And although NZ has had a good deal of Cultural Marxism rammed down its throat, New Zealand’s agricultural heritage means that deep down we understand that the Government doesn’t create wealth. If we get into a real SHTF scenario, there are not the deep divides in society as in the case of the larger “Western” countries. Whilst there is no great Libertarian movement in the country, the darker elements of the Socialist movement are laughed at by the populace rather than debated earnestly by the BBC. There are not the great political debates in NZ which make it a bit quiet for those of a political bent during normal times, but individuals who still look out for others would make it a better place during times of economic stress.

        Still, the fight is nowhere near over in the UK. Just about everyone I speak to no matter what political persuasion know that something is deeply wrong about politics in this country but can’t put their finger on it. This is where sites like Bogpaper come in – remember Samuel Adams quote “It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people’s minds”

  5. Michael
    November 5, 2013 at 6:15 pm #

    I’ve been down the road of trying to be a source of information on these issues. After much initial skepticism, it does work on some. Tell most people that the cost of living increases are a result of government policies – both legislative but predominantly money printing and I’m met with the view that I just fell off a spaceship! If you can’t see that printing more money (QE) leads to higher prices, you are stupid. If you think a man in Whitehall can conjure up more efficient services and lower prices without a profit incentive, you are stupid.

    In my mind, the main reason capitalism works is that stupidity gets punished. And we’ve removed that from the equation. There are now few negative consequences to stupidity. We, as a society, have interfered with natural selection for far too long by sheltering people from their bad decisions – deficit spending and low interest rates are the cure (temporarily) for everything……. until they’re not.

    • The Austrian Way
      November 6, 2013 at 11:45 am #

      Thanks for reading and commenting, Michael,

      Some very good points there. I find it amazing how entrepreneurs truly get this stuff even if they don’t realise they’re Austrian school or Libertards like us. They get it because they have real skin in the game, are not isolated from the consequences of their actions and cannot dream away, remote from the action and realities of the market.

      Big time corporate folks can be surprisingly statist, especially the Oxbridge types.

      The further you go from the real white hot heat of wealth creation and enterprise the easier it is to live unaware of economic realities.

      Yet these entrepreneurs are often unrepresented and little listened too. This is a good initiative from the Adam Smith Institute to help improve things:

  6. The Austrian Way
    November 5, 2013 at 7:32 pm #

    Great comments all. Thanks so much for reading and caring. Crucially, what can we at Bogpaper do to make a bigger contribution in this war of ideas?

    This is the question we’re asking ourselves all the time and a specific blog piece asking for feedback last week….

  7. Roger L
    November 5, 2013 at 7:52 pm #

    This has been building for years. Wealth producers – you’re firmly in the crosshairs!

    The ever-growing state is consuming all, turning swathes into dependents and has truly out grown the tax base it is built off. The state is now jealously eyeing fat targets to plunder… bank fines (how ironic), ‘tax avoiders’ et al.

    Today’s problems are in no way a failure of free markets, but simply a train wreck of statism gone mad.

    As much as I count myself a libertarian, I believe in being ready to defend yourself as aggressively as possible. There is no greater bully than the state and its goon squads. Never stop learning your skills, include martial arts amongst them. Get clued up about the law – you might be held against your will one day. Read the Austrian school dudes, get your head round some philosophy and get your mind well clear about what the next few decades are going to bring.

    The state’s revenue base is crumbling, it’s never been so indebted and all the while our leaders have no idea and cannot think outside of their statist little blinkers.

    Atlas is shrugging. Get prepared.

  8. Roger L
    November 5, 2013 at 7:55 pm #

    Oh, and it terms of making Bogpaper a force majeur – you should try tapping libertarian entrepreneurs with lots of money. Sell them on your mission, make it community owned, harness similar thinkers from all over the world and set this up as a giant, glowing beacon of right-mindedness, free thinking and genuine reason. Good luck. I’m very much enjoying reading it as it comes.

  9. John
    November 5, 2013 at 8:42 pm #

    I have been a dedicated libertarian for 15 years or so. OK a bit of a closet one as I had to earn a living in the electricity industry, but a libertarian nonetheless.

    I don’t think its a bad as you think. I see a rising concern about welfare costs, debt, decreasing standards of living and McJobs rather than jobs. But I don’t see a lurch to the 1970s left. The idea of nationalising everything is sneered at by the main stream media, so even lefty intelligensia see it as a bad idea.

    The only glimmer of hope is libertarianism and the tea party really brought this home to many in the US. Yes America is stuffed up, but my money is on a big shift to the right over the next few years. Hilary for 2016? No chance.

  10. Anthem
    November 5, 2013 at 8:44 pm #

    Just been reading the comments on the City AM article which provided the inspiration for this article and the problem is right there.

    People blaming “capitalism” for all the mess.

    I do wish this kind of thing was taught in schools, it would surely solve a lot of problems.

    We’ve never had capitalism in the UK and even when we came close it was so long ago that it can scarcely be blamed for today’s problems.

    It’s lack of education for the most part, I think.

    • mikebravo
      November 5, 2013 at 10:15 pm #

      Whenever I hear that “it is capitalism” that has caused the mess, I ask the fool “what is capitalism?”. By reply I get opening and closing of the fishy mouth and bulging eyes.
      Most idiots just parrot what they are told and don’t know how to think (“four legs good..” style).
      Too much City Am and beeboid gibberish will rot the mind eventually.

    • The Austrian Way
      November 6, 2013 at 11:48 am #

      Spot on Anthem!

      That said I commend CityAM their Austrian school editor, Allister, for being the paper offering the most exposure to our way of thinking. It’s great to hear of their continued growth in circulation, whilst the incoherent FT is in decline. Another market outcome reflecting reality and peoples’ real tastes.

      I’m raising my coffee mug to CityAM and Mr Heath right now!

  11. Apparent bigot
    November 5, 2013 at 11:12 pm #

    Now that’s my kind of article!

    However, the internet is making us all more libertarian. The young generation is used to instant, high quality service. They will not tolerate the tripe like public services we suffer. This new digital generation will shake things up as the previous generational cohort thins out.

    • dr
      November 6, 2013 at 9:14 am #

      I agree with you to some extent. I think that in the UK because of demographics, the number of pensioners will rise over the next few years. They tend to vote. So we can expect a political drive for big government (big public services) whilst these people are retired. But this is likely to need a plundering of the younger workers. I think that many of these workers will grow to detest the state, but also as they grow older become more likely to vote. At some point, the political spectrum will shift from the left to the right rather dramatically.
      It seems like it is just a case of trying to limit the damage done, whilst the left is in power over the next few years.

  12. vircantium
    November 6, 2013 at 3:20 pm #

    “Give copies of Atlas Shrugged for Christmas.”

    I know what you mean, but for a lot of people Rand’s stuff (and indeed many political volumes) are difficult to get into. That, and the fact that most ordinary people out there are not political philosophers.

    What is needed are some good writers and graphic artists to produce some ‘Hayek for Dummies’ type of work, or simple pictorial summaries (I know there are some such efforts around) which not only put the ideas into ‘Sun-speak’ but crucially can get under the radar of the ‘politics=dull’ masses which, nonetheless, have been insidiously brainwashed by their education and media.

    Heck, I’d have a go myself if I had the time – the more the merrier; everyone has a slightly different way of explaining things.

    • Anthem
      November 6, 2013 at 6:40 pm #

      A good one is How an Economy Grows and Why It Crashes by Peter D Schiff.

    • Michael
      November 6, 2013 at 7:28 pm #

      Re: what Bogpaper can to do improve – I think the idea is to mix up some simplified articles like the one below that are easy to read and explain observations in easy to understand format. Sure it’ll be nothing new for most of your current readers but then again the likes of Zerohedge is seldom going to appeal to a newbie!! I never share/forward on anything too technical or doom-mongerish as it turns people of your message.

      The 1st paragraph is simple and would be enough to make the newcomer read on.

      “The source of this catalyst for unrest in society, as Mark Spitznagel warned, is not runaway entrepreneurial capitalism, which rewards those who best serve the consumer in product and price. (Would we really want it any other way?) There is another force that has turned a natural divide into a chasm: the Federal Reserve. The relentless expansion of credit by the Fed creates artificial disparities based on political privilege and economic power”

      Perhaps you could publish a reader essay of the week?

      • The Austrian Way
        November 7, 2013 at 9:28 am #


        Thanks indeed for some more great comments and thoughts.

        I think you idea for publishing a reader essay of the week is a great on. Would this interest many of you?

        To take this idea further, this blog is run by volunteers and we’re always looking for new faces and voices. If any of you good sirs (or madams) are interested to reach out here or @TheBogpaper.

        I spent 2 months in NZ in my gap yahhhh. It was heaven on earth. I’ve since met about eight independent traders in London/Chicago that own farms out there are there plan-Z. A coincidence? I think not…

  13. Rocco
    November 6, 2013 at 4:20 pm #

    Re: accessible books for Christmas, “Economics in one lesson” by Henry Hazlitt is about as good as you can get.

    More radically, “Defending the Undefendable” by Walter Block.

  14. Anthem
    November 6, 2013 at 9:17 pm #

    @Michael – I couldn’t respond directly to your excellent comment up there (think Bogpaper admin needs to adjust their discussion settings in WordPress… Settings > Discussion > enable threaded (nested) comments x levels deep).

    Hong Kong sounds fantastic but perhaps for someone a bit younger with no family ties. I already run my own business and am just happy to tick along under my own steam. Like anyone else, I’d like a few more quid but I’ve long since passed the stage where I want to be “rich”.

    NZ sounds more like it.

    I think this is what confuses people about this whole free market and libertarian type stuff… it’s not that we’re “greedy” or obsessed with money.

    We just want to live somewhere where government doesn’t interfere with every damned aspect of our lives. Where we’re free to earn what our abilities allow us to earn but lets us keep the greater part of it (under any system, there needs to be a government and it would need financing).

    A place where it doesn’t feel like people are basically taking the piss out of you everyday and everything feels like a sick joke against everything you ever thought was right in the world.

    A place where hard work and achievement are rewarded and revered, not penalised and hated.

    A place where there’s a decent Indian takeaway would be a bonus, too.

    • The Austrian Way
      November 7, 2013 at 9:30 am #


      If NZ is really going to become our libertarian flocking ground, we might need to work on our Kiwi accents!

      • Michael
        November 7, 2013 at 4:55 pm #

        We don’t all talk like that – only 95% of us!! As long as you can talk rugby & call football “soccer” you’ll fit in fine! It’s a simple culture but a great guard against tyranny.

        I’ve been following Delingpole since 2009 and remember when he wrote about his decision of leaving big city life for the country and it’s one I think about often – when (if ever) is the right time to uproot yourself from London which offers so much to a “quieter” location which threatens much less?

        Wendy McIlroy sums up the dilemma of the Libertarian relocating beautifully in this piece for the Dollar Vigilante – I can’t recommend the read enough if you’re Liberty minded.

        “I realized a key reason why people did not leave Germany in the 1930s, but chose to ignore the warning signs instead. They didn’t believe the warnings. Not in their hearts. Not in the gut. They were like me, watching the snow dance on the wind. They woke up in their own homes under familiar blankets, they ate the same cereal for breakfast, and drove down well known streets to the job at which they’d worked for years. Everything was as it had always been. The fact that the legal structure, political protections, and other institutions that guarded freedom were going, going, gone was not as real to them as their daily routines. As trite as it may sounds, many people simply did not notice the erosion of freedom on a daily basis”

  15. Anthem
    November 9, 2013 at 12:51 am #

    One man’s relocation is another man’s “shrugging”.

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