RGTyler: EU Reform!

This week there has been a lot of talk about moving the EU referendum forward to 2014 rather than waiting till after the next general election. The main argument has been that it doesn’t offer us enough time to try and renegotiate our place in the EU. Whether or not thats a legitimate reason is not really for me to say. However I have started to re-examine my Eurosceptic ideas and have started to warm to the idea of renegotiating our role.

This change of heart once again is as a result of staying up late, drinking and debating the fine details of our political system. This time I was debating (drinking) with a group of people from all Europe. They all believed that the current model was the best solution for not just their countries but also the UK. They then went on to talk about how the UK couldn’t survive outside of the EU and naturally I replied with my usual eurosceptic canned answer that we have the Anglosphere and the Commonwealth waiting for us on the other side of the wall.

Then they tried to persuade me that the UK needs to move towards the Euro and naturally I responded with my canned answer about Fiat Money and the failures of the European Central Banking system. I also went on about currency competition. Pretty standard answers to most of the concerns.

However as I listened to their list of benefits that the EU brought to the UK and the rest of Europe I started to warm a bit to this idea of re-negotiating rather than leaving. And I worked out what reforms I would like to see…. In most cases I will admit they follow the ECRs (European Conservative and Reformists) reform proposals.

1) Reform the European Parliament: The structure of the EP doesn’t make much sense when you look at it. Mainly when it comes to party structure and defections. The elections to the EP produce proportional results. IE at the last election UKIP won 16% of the popular vote and gained 18% of the seats. However if an MEP were to defect rather than rebalancing the seats and kicking the defector out of the EP and bringing up the next member from the party list the defector simply  moves to the other group. Its because of this that the Conservatives have more seats than when they started. Its powers must also be curbed.

2) Localism: Let the individuals decide not the EP. Take everything down to the smallest possible level of government and protect national identity. If the Lisbon treaty screwed one thing up it was that it expanded the powers of the state rather than the powers of the individual. Localism should also apply to all legislation sent to us from Brussels. Member states of the EU should be free to pick and chose the laws that are compatible with their local governments. For example the fact that most of the EU law follows the continental Roman Law system rather than our superior Common Law system meaning that far too much legislation is incompatible.

3) Free Market: The EU likes to talk about how it has a “Single Market” or a “Common Market” but the fact of the matter is that most people want a “Free Market”. However by definition the EU isn’t a free market as it is regulated and protectionist. We are unable to trade beyond the members of the EU freely without the EU signing up as well. In a renegotiation I would like to see the ability for us to trade beyond the EU without needing the permission of Big Brother in the European Commision. I also believe that any renegotiation should give us access to the Schengen agreement. A lot of people may hate the Schengen Agreement but its very much beneficial to all members.

These three things would be top on my list if we were to renegotiate. If we had to stay in the EU these would be my terms otherwise I will remain firmly in the ‘Better Off Out’ camp.

11 comments on “RGTyler: EU Reform!

  1. grumpydenier
    October 11, 2013 at 9:22 am #

    As it’s highly unlikely that anything on your wish-list will be realised, I suggest you stay put in the ‘Better Off Out’ camp along with the majority of us.

    • RGTyler
      October 12, 2013 at 3:07 pm #

      I agree with you. Whats more is that the Lisbon Treaty which Gordon Brown and his labour cronies dragged us in to doesn’t allow us to renegotiate as many powers as we may like to.

  2. dr
    October 11, 2013 at 12:02 pm #

    If “stay in the EU” means that we would have a free trade agreement with the rest of Europe and everything else would be repatriated, then fine.
    But since the EU is created with the purpose of “ever closer union”, then I think that we are better off out.
    It is easy for the pro-europeans to paint being “outside” europe as some sort of wilderness where we trade with no-one, and being inside as being part of a happy family at a party on a special occasion. But neither of these situations is true.

  3. Simon Roberts
    October 11, 2013 at 12:37 pm #

    One boozy evening in the company of some Europeans and your principles go out of the window!

    We can’t compromise on this. The EU has made it abundandtly clear that it’s a one way street towards political union. It’s undemocratic, but at least they are honest about it – even if our politicians aren’t.

    It’s either be subsumed into an EU superstate and in sodoing give up the right to govern ourselves or remain a soverign nation.

    Any talk of renegotiation or compromise distracts people from that central fact. This is what Cameron is relying on.

  4. silverminer
    October 11, 2013 at 8:03 pm #

    I think your second point where you mention the incompatibility of Common and Roman law is key.

    Under a system of Common Law, rights are inalienable and the people are sovereign. We can only be governed with our consent, hence the right to Lawful Rebellion enshrined in Magna Carta. This is a system based on natural law.

    The system of Roman Law is exactly the opposite. All power comes from the State and the individual is subordinate and granted whatever rights the masters think appropriate. This is slavery in all but name.

    To think you could ever merge these two systems is foolish. They are diametrically opposed. This is why the insidious infiltration of Roman Law into our system, which EU membership has turbocharged, so vexes those of us who understand what it means. Freemen are being turned into slaves.

    We need to get out as soon as we can and try to restore something of our former system from the wreckage.

    • RGTyler
      October 12, 2013 at 3:05 pm #

      There have been attempts to combine Common Law with Roman law but non of these attempts have been very successful. I agree with what you said about were our liberties come from and I think its also important to notice that our laws are derived from the Judiciary instead of the state.
      EU doesn’t give its courts the same precedence we give ours.

      • silverminer
        October 12, 2013 at 7:54 pm #

        I’d have to quibble with you RGT. Our laws come from our Creator (whoever you think that might be). It’s my understanding that Common Law is just the application of common sense and right moral values, natural law and the “Golden Rule”. These are universal between different cultures and time periods. Deep down men and women know the difference between right and wrong. The Courts are just a formal setting to allow impartial people to apply these principles to a given situation.

        Perhaps we could do away with Statutes and Acts of Parliament altogether? A nation operating purely by the application of Common Law would be a fine thing I reckon. If this is what anarchism is then I think I’m coming round to it…

  5. Brian the Rhetaur
    October 12, 2013 at 9:56 am #

    Saying we’re going to renegotiate with the EU is like planning to rewrite the laws of gravity. It just isn’t going to happen. The EU says so, the legal treaties say so. The Cameron position on this is either a desperate piece of grandstanding, or a cynical procrastination.
    The problem is not the nature of the beast, it is the beast. You can’t have localism under the aegis of the largest qango in history.

  6. jdseanjd
    October 12, 2013 at 10:05 am #

    Got to agree with you Silverminer. Out is the only way.
    Preferably before the bankrupt incompetents running the asylum steal huge lumps of our money, as they have done in Cyprus. I believe the legal mechanisms for this are already in place. Depositors are now co-investors with our corrupt & bankrupt banks, & assume the risks of investors.

    I read somewhere recently that the bankrupt FED in America had bailed out the ECB to the tune of 1.3 Trillion dollars dollars or Euros. Can anyone confirm or deny this for me?

    Being part of the EU means we no longer dwell in a democracy.
    2/3rds of our laws are handed to the EU parliament for rubber stamping with precious little or no debate, by the EU Commission, an unelected body of bureaucrats, as Nigel Farage has pointed out. I remember reading a Sunday Times report, last December I think, where one of Camoron’s aides, who now teaches in the US, admitted that they were amazed at govt level at some of the EU laws hitting our statute books.

    I’m with Tony Benn, bless his honest heart, on this:
    go on youtube & put Tony Benn Oxford Union in the search box

    When you realise that the EU is a bankster/crony corporates project aiming towards one world govt & top down Fascist govt which is evolving in the US, you realise the only way is out.

  7. kevinsmith2013
    October 12, 2013 at 1:10 pm #

    Following our treasonous signing of the Lisbon treaty (Declaration/Bill of Rights 1689) , and others preceeding treaties (all treasonous except Treaty of Rome (1976 Referendum) – but that was based on a lie) any powers ceded to the EU cannot be re-negotiated or repatriated.

    Our only option is to invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon treaty, and perform an orderly withdrawl, we cannot negotiate a better deal because that would require approval from all 27 member states – and thats not going to happen. Only when it suits their needs can that requirement be ignored, such as France and Neterlands voting against the original EU consitution, or the Irish continually getting it wrong.

    80% of our laws are imposed upon us by the unelected commission and supporting bureaucrats, so what exactly are our 650 MP’s in Westminster, plus others in the (EU) Assembles doig with their time? They only have to administer 20% of what passes for government business in this Country. And when you look at what the CAP and Common Fisheries Policy have done for the environment and this Country, the EU are clearly not very good at what they do.

    We will also have a system whereby the government (EU Commission) will grant rights to citizens, which can be taken away. Under UK law our government should be subservient to the wishes of the people (the electorate). EU Commissioners are neither elected nor accountable to anyone, there’s a name for that!

    We are also moving to the European Napoleanic law system, its not justice its summary justice, no assumption of innocence, no habeas corpus, no right to trial by a jury of your peers, plus indefinite detention without charge.

    I AM NOT A CITIZEN OF THE EU – because I never consented to it, and Magna Carta and Declaration of Rights back up my assumption.

  8. kevinsmith2013
    October 12, 2013 at 4:50 pm #

    That should be summary judgement (not summary justice). Your guilt is assumed before you enter a court. It used to be the duty of the prosecution to prove your guilt, not your defence to prove your innocence. Now you need to attempt to argue your innocence, but you are unlikely to be successful. If you speed only a few miles over the limit you will be found guilty, and get something like a £20 charge for victim support – how does that work? Who was the victim?

    Sorry, bit off topic, but it does all relate to how the EU has affected our lives. WE are the victims, of an unscrupulous, unaccountable authoritarian dictatorship. AND soime people want even more of it.

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