RGTyler: An Idiots Guide to why We Shouldn’t Intervene in Syria!

A lot of people have been calling for intervention in Syria. So I have decided to make this Idiots Guide to why we should Not Intervene in Syria.

 

I suppose to start with we should set out a few parameters. Britain is in a few ways quite like Syria. We, like them, have a very diverse population of people with lots of different cultures, ethnicities and religions. And like Syria we have a majority faith, Protestantism and a selection of minority ones, Atheism, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Sikhism, Jedi etc etc.

Right now imagine, in an alternate universe or something, that Britain is in the grip of similar civil war. We are two years in and the war is no longer about removing an oppressive regime that up in till the point of the civil war had acted as a socialist state offering free housing and free healthcare to the majority of citizens in a bid to appease them.

Anyway the civil war in Britain has been going on for two years and the rest of the western world is deciding wither or not to intervene. Of course what these other western powers don’t realise is that those who were fighting for a democracy in Britain have left. Those in the opposition who remain fighting the government forces are an unstable and volatile group.

One group is a far right group who don’t want a democracy at all. They just wish to kick all the foreigners out of Britain and impose their beliefs on everyone else. So far in this war they have burnt down Mosques, Temples and Synagogues. They have, so far, been secretly funded by the neighbouring dictatorships.

Another group are the minority Islamaists who have been burning down churches and not only killing government forces but also killing other rebel groups. They have committed war crimes almost worse than those of the government and are in fact funded by an international terrorist group.

Then there are the Scottish separatists who have for the most part of the war kept to their natural territory killing all those loyal to the old regime as well as those who are not Scottish. They don’t like either of the other rebel groups and actually have more politically in common with the government in terms of wanting to impose a socialist government on there own people.

People in other countries have little idea what is actually going on in side of Britain other than what is being drip fed to them by the Main Stream media who only ever show footage of children and the vulnerable who have been killed by the “Government” despite the fact that more have been killed by the Far Right and Islamist groups. This has lead to people outside of the country wanting to arm the apparently democracy loving rebels, even though those who want a democracy left long ago.

What the people at home don’t realise is that by arming any of the rebel group with in Syria… I mean Britain they are only going to make things worse. More weapons means more killing and more killing means that the war will just go on and on. In the end no one wins and instead the country is left in ruins and its more than likely that a worse regime takes its place. The only winners of the arming of British rebels are the defence companies who get a nice, steady income as they sell more and more bullets to the Western powers that in turn send them to Syria… I mean Britain.

Hopefully this will make you think a bit. Who do you arm when you arm rebels? Are you really arming those who are fighting for Democracy or are you arming those who hate it?

I’m not saying that leaving Syria alone is the right thing to do as Human beings. But I’m saying that there is a better solution. Send aid to the neighbouring countries so that they can look after the refugees. Send money to the charities that can get food and medical supplies into Syria and perhaps even begin to look at ways of helping asylum seekers. We can’t end the war but at least we can help those who are affected by it. And for the love of all things sane DON’T SEND WEAPONS OR INTERVENE IN SYRIA!

20 comments on “RGTyler: An Idiots Guide to why We Shouldn’t Intervene in Syria!

  1. Rocco
    August 24, 2013 at 2:04 pm #

    RGTyler, two points.
    1) There is a much simpler reason not to intervene. Intervention costs money, money taken from taxpayers. That is, it requires a government to increase aggression against it’s subjects. To advocate intervention is to advocate this increase in government aggression.
    2) The “aid” you want to send, if gathered by the government from taxpayers, would also be an increase in government aggression against it’s subjects. To advocate ‘foreign aid’ is to advocate this increase in government aggression.

    • RGTyler
      August 24, 2013 at 10:03 pm #

      Firstly I agree with you. The last thing we need is for the state to get more aggressive and then start expanding its powers in the name “national security”. Secondly when I refer to aid I don’t personally advocate that approach. I made my stance on aid clear in my last post (http://bogpaper.com/2013/08/14/rgtyler-trade-not-aid/) I am simply putting forward that argument as it may sway some people away from the interventanalist stance. This whole piece is in response to a series of debates I’ve had since this all started.

      • Rocco
        August 24, 2013 at 10:59 pm #

        Yeah, dude. Sound. On the aid thing, I was assuming you meant private, voluntary giving. But the article isn’t 100% clear.
        Regarding aggression, I meant that taxation itself is a form of State aggression, even before the money gets spent.
        Its a nice article. I just wanted to offer a more fundamental reason to oppose intervention on principal, to complement your astute opposition based on practical complications.

  2. jazz606
    August 24, 2013 at 2:38 pm #

    How about just saying out of it because it’s none of our business.
    Or is that too simple ?

    • RGTyler
      August 24, 2013 at 10:05 pm #

      Sadly not many people will take that as an answer. This piece was written as a response to a series of long debates and arguments I’ve had with people who are insistent that we MUST INTERVENE. I personally feel we should just avoid this shit storm all together.

      • jazz606
        August 25, 2013 at 7:32 pm #

        The other good and simple reason that we should stay out of this is that we are totally incompetent (Iraq, Afghanistan) and would only make a bad situation much worse.

      • Martin
        August 27, 2013 at 5:37 pm #

        “not many people”

        Maybe not Tony Blair who’s inevitably all in favour of putting other people’s children in harm’s way but I don’t know of a single person outside the Westminster bubble who’s in favour of this monumentally stupid idea. It really is none of our business. We are a small skint island not the conscience of the world.

  3. James Eadon
    August 25, 2013 at 9:54 am #

    Obama wants war in Syria to distract attention away from the scandals that have made a fool of him at home.

    • Rocco
      August 25, 2013 at 10:13 am #

      Mr Eadon, I think you are underestimating him. Obama hardly needs the help of scandals to look like a fool. 😉

  4. Kevin T
    August 25, 2013 at 11:13 am #

    I’d like to think the best reason is that we’re intelligent and capable of learning from past mistakes. How many examples are there where the West intervened in a domestic conflict or invaded a sovereign country and it turned out well? There were morally sound reasons to fight the Taliban, Saddam Hussein, Nasser and the Vietcong. These were all despicable people. Time after time though it’s ended up with us just making things worse, turning vicious guerillas into freedom fighters against foreign invaders and finally leaving a lot of innocent bodies on the floor. Civil wars are always horribly messy, as you point out well, and our increasing reliance on blunt, remote methods of warfare (drones, airstrikes) is really the worst possible way of fighting in such conflicts. Unfortunately I don’t think the current generation of politicians do learn. It doesn’t help that a political career nowadays pretty much precludes military service since those are the years when you need to be someone’s SpAd. How many in Westminster have ever worn a uniform, let alone fought in a war?

    • jazz606
      August 25, 2013 at 7:33 pm #

      “……I’d like to think the best reason is that we’re intelligent and capable of learning from past mistakes……..”

      Sigh…!

      If only that were true.

  5. Simon Roberts
    August 25, 2013 at 12:33 pm #

    Just to pick up on one small point, you suggest that no-one would benefit from the disruption and war in Syria other than arms manufacturers.

    In fact, the biggest gain would fall to Israel. It’s beseiged by neighbouring countries who want to destroy it. Having those countries descend into factional internal infighting removes the possibilty of future co-ordinated attacks in Israel of the nature that we have seen before.

    This equally applies to the disruption of other neighbouring states such as Egypt of course.

    As I pointed out earlier on one of Margaret’s pieces, arming the “rebels” (I have my doubts) will just cause immense suffering to the Syrian people.

    Arms manufacturers and banks will indeed benefit, but let’s not overlook the geo-political factors.

  6. Simon Roberts
    August 25, 2013 at 9:19 pm #

    And I assume everyone has seen the Telegraph story “Navy ready to launch first strike on Syria”

    Quote – ” The Prime Minister, however, is believed to have abandoned hope of securing any further meaningful response from the UN amid opposition from Russia.

    Labour said Parliament must be recalled if Mr Cameron was considering a military response, but Downing Street sources said this may not be necessary as the Prime Minister retained the right to act urgently if required. ”

    So – Cameron is going to unilaterally assume the authority to attack a sovereign country:

    …With no evidence that the Syrian Govt is responsible
    …With no parliamentary authority
    …With no UN agreement

    This our fault of course, if such people think they can do such dreadful things and still get elected again afterwards then we only have ourselves to blame.

  7. Asiabugle
    August 26, 2013 at 1:50 am #

    The way to stop the war is to support Assad. Any other option will simple result in a longer war and more killing. http://asiabugle.blogspot.com/2013/06/how-to-stop-war-in-syria.html

  8. Michael
    August 26, 2013 at 10:55 am #

    You gotta love the way Ben Swan tells it like it is about Syria

    THIS!!!…is what real news coverage looks like.

  9. Ed Green
    August 27, 2013 at 9:27 am #

    How about the simple fact that there are loonies on both the side of the government and among rebel factions who would rather murder our people than each other. Horrid though it seems to do nothing most forms of intervention would only make matters worse.

  10. Ballomar
    August 27, 2013 at 10:14 am #

    What a badly argued article.

    The reason the US and its client states …er…allies are talking about direct intervention is that that the Assad regime is now winning. The tide turned when Hezbollah decided to mobilize in favour of Assad. An Assad victory would be really bad news for the reason. It would give much more power to Iran and Hezbollah, which would cause all sorts of other problems.

    There’s a big downside to direct intervention, because it could escalate to direct conflict between US and Iranian troops or even the US and Russian troops. I’m sure the administration knows this.

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